Obama, McCain to appear August 16 at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church (UPDATED)

Which is disgusting.

The United States of America is NOT a Christian nation, so it’s pretty disgusting that Obama and McCain will be making their first joint appearance of the campaign at Warren’s Purpose-Driven Six Flags Over Jesus:

Dr. Rick Warren, one of the country’s most prominent megachurch preachers, announced today that Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama would make their first joint campaign appearance on Saturday, Aug. 16 at Warren’s Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif.

The two presumptive nominees will attend the “Saddleback Civil Forum on Leadership and Compassion,” moderated by Warren, who founded the 22,000-member Orange County church and wrote the best-selling book, “The Purpose Driven Life.”

What’s funny, though, is that Barack Obama is a truly spiritual man who disagrees with hard-right fundamentalists on most everything, while John McCain’s disdain for the same fundamentalists is thinly veiled at best. I mean, hell, in 2000, he called Religious Right leaders “agents of intolerance” and criticized George W. Bush for pandering to them. (And that’s all it really ever was. No president has ever actually agreed with the Religious Right.)

Ugh. Just ugh.

UPDATED WITH MORE UGH: Apparently Rick Warren’s church is co-sponsoring this little shindig with a more liberal interfaith religious group called Faith in Public Life, which seems to operate more from a pro-human rights/social justice perspective. They actually seem to be a decent group of people. Great, whatever. I still think the event is utter bullshit, because presidential candidates shouldn’t have to pass these religious tests in order to be considered for office.

Predictably, though, a Shi’ite Christian blog is bitching about the co-sponsorship with the other religious group whose beliefs don’t align with their own fucked up beliefs, because Fundamentalists lose arguments when opposing viewpoints (ANY opposing viewpoints) are included:

Is Rick Warren, by association, indirectly or directly endorsing the homosexual agenda by partnering with Faith in Public Life in the upcoming presidential forum at Saddleback Church?

Stephanie Block of CMC would say “YES”.

And Stephanie Block of CMC knows everything, especially when she’s speaking in all caps. Stephanie Block of CMC is such a moronic wingnut so smart that you can take her words, change them around a little bit, insert Rick Warren’s name, and ta-da, you get statements like this:

Does this mean that Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church is supporting the legalization of same-sex marriage? Yes, it does. By its placement among progressive-minded organizations, the force of its reputation as a religious representative of the American Evangelical Community gives progressive political goals moral credibility. They are supporting same-sex marriage.

Yes, because if you’re in the same room with Teh Gay, you automatically are endorsing our political initiatives. It’s kind of like how if you eat a 6-pc. McNuggets with your kids, you might as well be buttfucking Grimace. That’s how guilt by association works.

Like I said, ugh.

7 Responses to “Obama, McCain to appear August 16 at Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church (UPDATED)”

  1. Evan…

    Come on dude, this is shoddy.

    Obama is Christian so it makes sense for him to appear at a Christian church, and he has appeared with Warren before for AIDS issues among other things. This time it’s for political leadership and compassion, which will most definitely touch on the same issues. What is wrong with a CHRISTIAN presidential candidate going to a CHRISTIAN church, to make an amicable appearance with his opponent, to add a level of civility to the presidential race? I would find it AMAZINGLY disingenuous if Obama never went to Christian churches during his campaign. What’s different about this meeting than all the other church visits he’s done in this election year? I don’t get your beef here man.

    Now, I personally don’t buy that McCain believes in Jesus at all lol, but that’s just me. I believe Obama when he meets with other Christians, and I believe he’ll find common ground with Warren and his congregation. McCain…he’s a coward when it comes to saying what he believes. That’s my opinion.

    The USA is not a Christian nation, you’re right, Obama laid the gauntlet down on that already in a few speeches. But Obama, as you know, IS CHRISTIAN (sorry I just don’t know how to bold/italics on your blog lol), and it makes sense for him to court the people who share his beliefs (generally speaking). No rules against a presidential candidate meeting with people of his faith, which happens to be the largest faith group in the country. Uh Evan, spiritually AND politically, that just makes sense.

    Maybe I’m just not getting your point, but I think it’s a good thing that Obama will meet with Warren and McCain. I think it’ll shred out who’s real and who’s fake. For McCain, I think it’ll hurt him. For Obama, this can only be good. What do you think?

    Joe

  2. PS, “Six flags over Jesus” is what the uber-fundies call Warren’s style of church/worship. Do you share their mindset? :)

  3. I call ALL mega-churches Six Flags Over Jesus.

    Or Fort God.

  4. and from a purely strategic perspective, yes this will help Obama, but i’m talking beyond this campaign right now.

    I really would prefer if candidates didn’t appear at churches at all, honestly.

    But that’s one of those “down the road” things.

  5. “Fort God”

    That’s funny as hell. I’m using that from now on.

    Well, I’m very much yearning to learn more about Obama’s faith. I’m Christian, he’s Christian, and I would like to see that come out more, because it connects with me personally. For those who don’t share my Faith, they connect with Obama on other things, even if it’s a general belief in God.

    I think a man of faith in a candidate is a great thing. Granted that they’re genuine, honest, and it carries through in their actions (aka NOT BUSH). I don’t have a problem with candidates displaying their faith (i’d be worried if they didn’t) and meeting with America’s biggest religious leaders and making good relations with them, in order to get things FIXED and HELPED, is a GREAT thing for this country. This is all considering the fact that most of us in the country have some form of religious beliefs. It just make sense. Make inroads with the leaders who lead the spiritual aspect of our nation, and think of what you can accomplish together? You know?

    Come on, how does this NOT help America in the long run? Afterall, in Europe (yes I watched the speeches, and was pleased) Obama talked about tearing down religious walls and working together to get stuff DONEEEE. Now, to do that, Obama has to do EXACTLY what he’s been doing, and is about to do with Warren and Saddleback. Wingo.

    Joe

  6. I gotta go to bed Evan. I got an early Tee Time tomorrow :)

    Fouuuuuurr!

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